I Gotta Get One of These Robots

I believe in giving credit where credit is due and, no matter what you come to think about the kids involved in this fraud, you have to admit that this is pretty damned crafty for a couple of 16-year olds. The SEC is going after twin brothers in the UK for scamming American investors out of $1.2 million with claims of having a "stock picking robot" that identifies stocks set to appreciate by up to 400%. The brothers, now 21, were just 16 when they came up with the scam.

They say a fool and his money are soon parted, and this certainly seems to prove that. These guys had it all figured out. Not only did they sell a bogus trading system to over 75,000 people (mostly Americans), the stocks that the system "recommended" were all companies that paid the brothers to promote their stocks. And here's the kicker: the SEC might not have a leg to stand on.

Jurisdictional concerns aside, I'm not sure these kids technically broke any securities laws. All they did was sell a newsletter for $47 a month and/or a computer program for $97 which was basically an RSS feed for the companies the brothers decided to pump at the moment. It's not like they were clearing trades or anything. If anything, this sounds more like the FTC's ballgame than the SEC's.

Maybe it's my defective personality, but I can't help but admire the simplicity of the scheme and the deftness with which it was carried out, especially in light of how young these guys are.

They had the hook: a computer algorithm named Marl, engineered by Goldman Sachs and now secretly available to you, Mr. Investor. They had the chutzpah: charging $47 for a newsletter and $97 for an RSS feed of stocks they picked out of thin air - and getting 75,000 suckers on board. And they had the brains: they realized early on that the subscription fees were chump change compared to what companies were willing to pay to have their stock pumped - and they raked in another $2 million in promotion fees.

These guys shouldn't be in court, they should be teaching a clinic. I hope their lawyer has half the brains they do and manages to get this thrown out. No matter what happens, at the very least this is hilarious. The only reason people fall for scams like this is that they're greedy, so they mostly get what they deserve.

Or am I wrong?

 
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Haha I have to say that those kids are pretty ingenious for their age. They are basically a marketing company for penny stocks. As long as they included all the usual disclosures I see on websites hocking stocks I would think they are fine. Granted, the FTC probably has a claim in this case as that is pretty fraudulent advertising but even then I don't think it is that bad. It is no different in my opinion than buying all these sports supplements that make absolutely ridiculous claims on the labels. Maybe people should actually think first before they subscribe to a service like that. Or maybe realize that penny stocks are cheap for a reason. There is nothing wrong with making money off of other people's greed.

 

For those of you not from the UK, Whitely Bay, the place they are from, is one of the poorest areas of the UK, up near NewCastle. Its the same place where a group of guys sold a "fake" Area 51 alien autopsy video a few decades back.

 

I'm not saying I condone their actions, but I giggled. They're no different than these "TRAINERS HATE HIM" or "LANGUAGE PROFESSORS HATE HIM" ads I see on Yahoo.

 

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